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     I don't know how many of you read my journals.. Or how many of you have talked to me personally but typically the first thing out of my mouth is something about ethics. I have a morality code for how I treat people on here. The people who are close to me know it too because they have to abide by it too or I get furious. Cause its on me.. not them.

I am here to have fun but I take myself, my page, my business, and my relationships on here very seriously. I try to never post rants or negative content. Those of you who are on my page a lot know if you post a comment 99% of the time your gonna get a reply. If you have a question I will go out of my way to answer it for you. If you need advice I am here. I have posted journals before about my open policy.

Use my art, my contracts, my documents, my layouts, my species do whatever you need to become successful. I am here to support you. I am here so that you can become a better artist. I am not here for myself. I don't know if you guys realize this but I gain nothing of value if those are my goals. I want to build relationships. I go out of my way every single day not because I have to but because I want to be there for the people who want to learn. Every day when I log on I know everything I write,post, or say could have me criticized. Or better influence someone younger than me. I know every day I log on I am a role model and I love it. More than you all could possibly know.




     I work so hard to be fair, considerate, but most of all make sure people are comfortable around me. I say a lot when people compliment my status "I am just a normal fag" it is a joke but I really am just a normal fag. We are all just people.

I have watched hundreds of times in my almost decade on this site as the under appreciated rip into those who have status for the sake of status. Lately though its been about money. Most my watchers can't know this but I take business very seriously. Incredibly serious. So serious if you ask about money, I will (unprompted) sit with you for 8 hours helping you write a commission price list, contracts, and sale procedure. I am all about making friends and happy faces till money comes into the equation and then I become another person.

I will be the first to tell you selling is art is hard. It can be rewarding and other times agonizing. I have found a way that makes it not hurt so bad for myself. I have also purposely made my work open ended so that I don't have to put stringent rules and obnoxious clauses in my paperwork. I do it to save myself pain and hype but it is hard to see your work misused or underused. Its hard not to use those clauses. But I know it is bad business. Once the commissions start its great. 5-10 dollars. But it doesn't add up. You become overwhelmed, feel used. You raise prices. Paranoia ensues. "Is this too much?" Your stomach knots in fear to send a note to a client for a 30$ commision. I still get hiccups when I have to send people totals...I sit for hours wracking my brain about percentages, fairness, my worth, how long it takes.... It isn't a joke...

Today I watched people rip into the value of a product. I often see complaint journals about originality and over pricing. You guys talk a lot about "what is a product" I don't like drama (to be honest I delete them or those people from my list). I am not here to insert some opinion about the conversation other than to simply to point out. Those are your peers you are talking about; and that is all I want to say about it. We are all peers here regardless of your opinions. You could be the worst artist in the world and me and you are peers.



     There are plenty of people in the adopts community who have different selling philosophy's than I do but they are my peers. As much as I may agree or disagree with their business they are a business and I take it seriously.I will be the first one to open my mouth to tell you off for toying with someones right to conduct business without scrutiny. They are just people trying to make money, people like you, and me. Not some abstract force of evil hell bent on licking quarters out of your wallet strictly because they are ignorant to the little man. We are all the little man. I am not here to get so incredibly good that no one can produce anything to compete with me. I am here to tell you HOW to get so good you can compete with me.



     I really hope that none of you are mad at me cause I am selling stuff.... I am doing it for fun and for others...hell I spend a lot of time coming up with ways to make things more easily available...Gosh  darn it I am sorry for font but it had to be said cause this journal has been brewing in the back of my head for 3 months. It always came out super negative but not this time! I just ask you please read and think it over...huff

...and please dont like post omg I hate the drama about -insert name here- I hate that xD like ...seriously...I just got done explaining they are your peers...respect them cause this isn't specific to anyone or to create drama just to make you think~ otl

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Sinnibelle Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think a lot of people just don't want to think about the time and care that artists put into their work to make it look nice enough to call it a commission or an adopt.. you know.. taking that extra minute to make sure they covered everything.. this is anatomically correct.. it's the right color etc etc etc..

I dislike it when people attempt to interfere with someone's business because  they can't afford it..  that is wrong. You don't go into a public place and demand their product for less money because you can't afford it.  You see the price- can't afford it. And you wait until you can.

People just treat people on DA like they aren't making a living.. when so many people are here for business.
 
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
yeeepppp totally agree
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Lilimuth Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For true, for true. All too often people are more willing to rip against a price without understanding and truly appreciating the time and effort put into creating a piece. Artists aren't machines which just jump out designs on a whim. I have always wanted to ask customers "How much would you consider your time worth?" and then following immediately with, "How much would you consider MY time is worth? Because if it isn't worth much to you, then I have no time for this project." 
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
ahhhhh true trueee....
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WlNGZ Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
//hugs
bless your face
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
;u;
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WlNGZ Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
:) <33
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Virensere Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're just amazing, that's all i can say.
I'm not a really active watcher, but as much as i've read your journals and seen your art and how you interact with others and everything, i can tell you that you're simply awesome.
Period.

Thanks a lot for sharing this and other things! <3
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
xD ah gosh thanks ;u;
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Sinnibelle Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
* i promise to read this later *
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Angeltsuki-Chan Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Student General Artist
I don't see a problem with it at all. You do you :heart:
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
??? hum?
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Angeltsuki-Chan Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Student General Artist
With selling for yourself and others. I know people get a lot of heap about it but you do you. But I don't see a problem with people charging what they feel their art and time are worth. There is no problem with it.
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
ah yes ^^
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illuminantur Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Student General Artist
I wish I had found your work a little sooner.  Thank you for your words of wisdom and advice.  I have been terrified of selling my work (or even doing point commissions) for this very reason.  Do you have any advice for people at my skill level who are very nervous of the current market?
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Well! here is what I will say. Skill level doesn't have anything to do with money. Don't try to put yourself into a category like that cause it imply in itself you feel inferior. The biggest problem is people make this too emotional and about their "worth" as a person rather than their "worth" as a employed individual. Don't talk yourself out of a customer. Half the time I upsell people in my orders because I believe in my product. Ask yourself?

What is my time worth?

For me its easy because I have worked minimum wage part time and I am a intern that makes 12 a hour. But at my level I could be making 20 a hour.

But I don't attempt to charge more than 8 to 12 a hour right now because I don't really much more income than that. Also it puts me in a position where I can work for 8 hours at home instead of driving somewhere to work 8 hours. Plus I make a lot more on fringe money than I would at part time. It keeps me from having to over work myself by taking less at a medium price point rather than taking more at a low price point. It also makes my work quality, but not out of the average persons price point because that is how I wanted it. I currently am working on a cheaper option that only takes me a hour to produce. It is going well.

It is good to be nervous, cause you should be. It is really easy to get ripped off. I see it happen, have had it happen, have had people waste my time, or resell. It does hurt and impact me emotionally but I understand at the end of the day I can make 30 more. This is why I went to the trouble of typing contracts and my purchasing procedure down to the utmost detail so that if a problem arises I can link someone to a document rather than needing to explain myself. It is the professional thing to do but it also keeps you out of trouble and gives you resources to fall back on rather than emotion. My advice is think about this like a job. A real job. You can't say anything you wouldn't realistic say to a client or fellow employee. You can but like in reality it reflects poorly on your person.

Don't under sell yourself. Because it is the WORST thing you can do. People can complain but at the end of the day no one can pay you enough money to make something you hate. I love making my guardians. I made a product that is cost effective, time effective, and enjoyable.  Finding what that will be for you is all up to you. I would at first limit yourself to one or two products. make examples. Be excited about your examples. Share them with people. At the same time start developing sales paperwork, how you want transactions to go no one controls that other than you. 99% of the time people will comply...if they act weird...that is your hint something is wrong. Make sure you read your purchasers page, journals, and interactions before each sale! Then start selling...and raise prices accordingly!

If you have trouble getting started be social! Go talk to other artists who share your interests. Fix your front page. Allways present your work in a organized and appealing manner. Keep your gallery clean and have a consistent "look" to your professional work. If you notice all my guardians are clean. labeled. have the same lines. they look unified. Selling is FUN because it makes you talk to lots and lots of people and socialize...I love it I hope that helps
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illuminantur Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2014  Student General Artist
Thank you so much.  This has been more helpful than I can even express.  :huggle:
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
;u; oh good
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Shadoritos Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Student General Artist
very well put UwU
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
^^ thanks
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monochromera Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014
ahh, it's reading things like this that make me wish I'd stumbled across you sooner <3

beautifully written, and I'm stunned by just how selfless you are >.< I admire you wholeheartedly~ c:

on a side note, I have nothing against you selling things, if that's where your fears are rooted
what you sell and what you buy is your business, and the business of those who purchase it- nobody else's!
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I have just read some crazy stuff lately...so yeah i am a little worried about my younger audience... :/ I worry about them all the time *dies*
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monochromera Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014
ah goodness... yea, I can understand why :c 
especially when it comes to prices and kids who don't understand the time/effort that goes into your art :C
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
oooo I just.... don't think they understand how much money it takes to make a living wage...not that they dont understand effort or time....
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monochromera Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014
that's very true :c even charging hundreds can sometimes be less than minimum wage if the piece takes a long time or costs a lot in materials. I think when they get out of school they'll understand better just how much things cost and why, but until then it can be tough to convince them

either way, you don't deserve to be put down or treated unkindly because of their view on pricing (especially since they don't fully comprehend it) so if they choose to complain, I wouldn't pay much mind to it :C
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
xD OH hell THAT shit never fucking happens to me cause there is like 0 excuse. I have laid out why its priced that way. How long it takes and my prices are "fair" I spent almost a month thinking about how I can turn a profit and not kill myself...or make a over priced item. No no no that never happens to me... no one has dared be mouthy on my page in like... 3 years.
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monochromera Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014
oh good good good ;0; I hope it continues to be that way then!
that's actually super smart too- I might have to nab that idea (explaining why prices are the way they are) for my stuff~ 
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
yeah! I have a formula or how I determine stuff on my price sheet so if someone gives me shit I just send them a link instead of talking to them.
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Mythka Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
;3
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TranslucentRainbow Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014
Why are you so amazingggg
I read through the comments and stuff as well
everything i've wanted to say was already said
so i'll just say thank you and bless ;v;
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
oh buh thanks ;u;
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SilverWolfDimitrix Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You are by far one of the utmost respectful, kindest, and selfless people on here. I used to talk to you on AIM (I think it was) years ago but lost my internet and even then, had a very high opinion of you because of the type of person you were. You've grown a lot even since then, and you've changed, but not in a bad way (and not to say you were a negative or bad person before either). You've bettered yourself and it's good to see you helping other people do the same thing. I don't comment often, mainly because I know you have so many to reply to already, but it always brings a smile to my face to read your journals, or see you doing adopts and helping others with critique, or commissions, or even just saying "Hey, I'm selling this because so-and-so needs help" or "Hey, so-and-so is selling this" you spread the word to help get other people out there.
You've become a well-rounded, brilliant woman; able to switch between business and play, and combine the two. You're such a huge help to other people. And I have to agree about everyone being peers. In the art community, there shouldn't be anyone bringing another person down. Like you said, however, you're here to show people HOW to get good so they can compete. That's what people need. Critique, technique, and a guiding hand to shed some light on the places they are struggling.

I feel like I'm rambling and I don't know if I'm even making any points, or if I'm just regurgitating things. But thank you for posting this. It was definitely a good read, and definitely worth saying.
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
holy shit im going to cry....

I still think about you and like...wondered where you went and stuff.... I was like hoping so hard you hadn't faded off ....dude im gonna sob...
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SilverWolfDimitrix Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Dun cryyy! D: I just didn't want to add to the massive amounts of comments you already have. I'm still here though! I lost internet for a while, but got it back, and seen you weren't as active anymore, so I figured you left DA, but I'm so happy you've come back with a vengeance!
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Oh yeah I just...wasn't ready to be a responsible adult... uvu;;; so I left... cause I was in college too....but I had always planned coming back when I was more mature...
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SilverWolfDimitrix Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hey, college is important and I don't blame ya for taking a break. It can do some real good. You've always seemed very mature to me, but I can definitely see a difference in you now compared to then.  Definitely not a bad difference. I know how cliche and maybe "fake" it may seem, but I do mean it when I say this, so, dammit, I'm proud of you. T_T
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
>: that is a really nice compliment thank you
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SilverWolfDimitrix Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It's the truth. :3 And you're welcome.
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C-Barkyn Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014
You are one of the few... No the only artist that is this supportive and friendly. Always having an open ear and being ambitious about social stuff.

Also I agree on the adopt community thing, everyone is just trying to make money, that's normal. So yeah, yay for more tolerance
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Most the people I meet on this site think like I do they just aren't a fucking blabber mouth like I am xDDDDD

Some people are just shy....
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Frilly-Dragoness Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh my,
This is seriously the best thing ever. omg
I get stomach knots when I send a note to someone saying their commission is FIVE dollars haha
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
xD ahahah I KNOW
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Loverbirds Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes.
Maturely stated,no dramatics,and completely understandable.
Yes.
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
<3 thank you...xD i try very hard to do that. It takes a lot of restraint
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Loverbirds Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well,hard work paid off ^^
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
oh good huuu
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DaliaWolfsoul Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I love how you made it clear, yet really friendly. I agree with you. After all, I think we're here not only for the art (which I'm sure we all love), but also because most of us want to make a living of this. And the only way to do that, is being really clear and stick to the value we believe our art has. Thanks for sharing this. It's really inspiring. ;) 
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SinCommonStitches Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
not everyone is cut out to go into commercial art or afford art college. Not everyone can become a professional artist... That doesn't mean they cant do it in their free time though.
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DaliaWolfsoul Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Of course! =^_^=
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